Episode 53: Ending Your Victim-Oppressor Dance With Kindness and Gentleness

[00:00:00] Hello and welcome back to the One Thing podcast, where we all get to usher in the new age of

[00:00:23] humanity beyond Homo sapiens, which we call Homo spiritus.

[00:00:29] And we do this by practicing dancing with the one thing that individuals, communities,

[00:00:34] and countries have yet to try and mass.

[00:00:38] And that one thing is the connection to our higher self part of ourselves or our true self anatomy.

[00:00:45] That people call by all kinds of various names, doesn't matter what you call it, but it doesn't

[00:00:49] matter that you call it.

[00:00:51] And our prime directive above all else is to make and consistently and constantly return

[00:00:58] to the one thing or this taught connection day in and day out.

[00:01:03] Because it's breath in and breath out.

[00:01:05] And it's our first step really in dealing with everything in our daily life rather than viewing

[00:01:12] problems as things that we can solve separately from the one thing.

[00:01:19] Quite true.

[00:01:20] And so, do you want me to say what we'll cover in this episode or do you want to say

[00:01:26] that?

[00:01:27] Yeah, go for it, either one.

[00:01:30] Sure.

[00:01:32] Well, there are many varieties of dueling energies within us.

[00:01:37] And in this episode we're going to focus on one of those, which is the victim oppressor

[00:01:44] duel because that duel that goes on inside us is a reflection, is reflected in the outside

[00:01:54] world in dueling between people who are identified as oppressors and who identify as victims.

[00:02:06] And so, from the perspective of the one thing, if we try to fix the oppressor victim dynamics

[00:02:15] in the outer world while they're still raging inside of us, that's a losing proposition.

[00:02:23] It's just not going to happen and we're not going to be effective.

[00:02:26] So as a first step in shifting those collective or cultural or societal or community dynamics

[00:02:36] or political dynamics as a first step in shifting that, we're going to look at the

[00:02:43] internal version of that and how to end that dance inside ourselves with gentleness

[00:02:50] and kindness.

[00:02:52] Yeah, nice.

[00:02:53] And sometimes I think that the victim oppressor or we could also say victim tyrant or victim

[00:03:00] tormentor or victim abuser or victim perpetrator, those are all a similar dynamic.

[00:03:08] And it may or may not be raging inside of us.

[00:03:13] I mean, in certain times it might be but it's a spectrum.

[00:03:15] It might be just under the surface.

[00:03:17] It might be gnawing at us and or it might be raging along that spectrum.

[00:03:22] But the bottom line is that David and I wanted to have this conversation because it's really

[00:03:28] the ultimate in taking self-responsibility that we tend to the tug of war energies inside

[00:03:35] of us that are seemingly opposing, which do not allow us to have a center still point

[00:03:41] of peace.

[00:03:42] And therefore that doesn't exist in the world.

[00:03:45] And it can't until more of us actually bring those warring, dueling tug of warring energies

[00:03:54] in ourselves more to rest or peace.

[00:03:57] It's this is actually what true healing is.

[00:04:00] It's a release of the underpinnings that keep us from having access to our center and

[00:04:08] our peaceful state of being and our wholeness.

[00:04:11] So we thought we would just use this one dual duality piece about victim and oppressor

[00:04:18] because we see it everywhere.

[00:04:20] We read it in books, we see it in shows.

[00:04:22] We have it's just everywhere.

[00:04:24] So, you know, whether you have it going on inside of you now or not, if you notice

[00:04:28] it and it, you know, it, it leaves you cold or breaks your heart, then there's

[00:04:34] some energy there that you get to tend to if you're willing.

[00:04:37] Mm hmm.

[00:04:38] Mm hmm.

[00:04:40] And we're doing this episode more in the spirit of riffing off of each other rather

[00:04:47] than the structure that you're used to us doing these episodes with if you've

[00:04:55] been tuning into previous episodes.

[00:04:59] So, you know, in kicking this off, I think, I think maybe it would be helpful for us

[00:05:09] to share some of our versions of the of this victim oppressor dynamic that I've

[00:05:20] dealt with and deal with and that you have dealt with and deal with in the

[00:05:25] context of, you know, I have a lot of examples.

[00:05:32] We could be here till midnight.

[00:05:33] So yeah, do you want to go first or you want me to go first?

[00:05:38] No, go ahead.

[00:05:38] It's fine.

[00:05:39] Go ahead.

[00:05:40] Yeah.

[00:05:41] Well, I think that when we choose whatever, whether we choose to incarnate

[00:05:46] as a man or woman, there are varying degrees of victim for each of us.

[00:05:53] And so as a woman, I can say that I notice more than maybe men do.

[00:06:00] I don't know if this is true or not.

[00:06:01] David, you can, you can, you know, say when it's time for you.

[00:06:07] But there's a there's an oppression that most women or many women feel

[00:06:12] that we have to work ourselves out of over a lifetime.

[00:06:16] And I think that in part that oppression, the programming of it

[00:06:22] involves things like unworthy and not enough.

[00:06:25] And, you know, that kind of flavor.

[00:06:29] So we have to end and when we say work with these dueling energies,

[00:06:33] they're seemingly opposite, right?

[00:06:34] So victim and oppressor is our opposites, right?

[00:06:39] So we're offering or we're we're asking for our higher presence.

[00:06:44] The one thing to we we we are consciously aware of these

[00:06:49] dueling energies in us.

[00:06:50] And so we say, you know, we invite our higher presence into the dueling energy

[00:06:54] and ask for the third transcendent energy of wholeness.

[00:06:58] And there are two kinds of duality process releases.

[00:07:02] One where it's really our own energy and we're,

[00:07:07] you know, we're bringing that energy to rest in us

[00:07:10] because it's a programming that we have

[00:07:13] in, you know, our energy invested into.

[00:07:15] And then there's energies that we see in the world

[00:07:18] that don't necessarily give us a trigger or a charge,

[00:07:21] but we know it's it's unjust or not right.

[00:07:24] And so we can we can also bring an energy

[00:07:27] that is brought into our awareness to rest.

[00:07:31] I would say that, I don't know, almost something like 80

[00:07:34] percent of the energy that we feel in us isn't necessarily our own,

[00:07:37] but it's just what's in the collective consciousness.

[00:07:41] That is much easier to sort of settle out and release in us.

[00:07:45] When it doesn't easily go, it generally means that it's

[00:07:49] that it's ours.

[00:07:50] So I can say that I have, you know, when I

[00:07:54] the tyrant, the energy of tyrant, which we've had in all of recorded history

[00:07:59] and we currently have in our world today, I won't mention any names,

[00:08:02] but we have we have, you know, variations of tyrants

[00:08:08] and expressions of tyrants.

[00:08:10] And what what what I do with that when I see it, because I do have a charge about it,

[00:08:15] is that I go inside of myself and I ask, so where am I being oppressive to myself

[00:08:21] and where am I being, you know, like tyrant like with myself?

[00:08:25] Because then I have to find that place in myself that has oppressive,

[00:08:29] abusive, tyrant energy and the part of myself that has victim energy.

[00:08:33] Right. And I look for that in my body.

[00:08:36] I find the place where I'm feeling it at where there's attention or a contraction.

[00:08:42] And then I literally invite my higher self's light into that.

[00:08:47] And if there's anything else I need to do, I get that.

[00:08:50] I get integration guidance or, you know, any other kind of healing guidance.

[00:08:55] Sometimes I have to write it out.

[00:08:56] Sometimes I have to do a creative process, you know,

[00:09:01] and get it out of me.

[00:09:03] But I'm looking for ultimately a third transcendent energy of wholeness

[00:09:09] that comes about between victim victim and tyrant.

[00:09:13] And that arrives by grace.

[00:09:16] And when I say grace, I mean, it comes from my heart, the sacred heart

[00:09:20] of my higher self, which my own sacred heart is connected to.

[00:09:23] And it might come right away.

[00:09:24] It might come in a couple of hours from the time I did the work or the next day.

[00:09:29] But it's a triad of energy and the bottom two energies are the seemingly polar opposites.

[00:09:36] So in our case, victim tyrant.

[00:09:40] And that becomes like the lead that we

[00:09:45] that we blaze through to become our new gold,

[00:09:48] which is the third transcendent energy of wholeness.

[00:09:50] And when I say that, it's like there's some representation

[00:09:55] of that energy like compassion or acceptance or, you know,

[00:10:01] some sort of elevated sacred energy that is inviting me into it

[00:10:06] so that I don't have to stay like a ping-pong ball between the victim, tyrant, duality.

[00:10:12] The last thing I'll say is that the the tormentor,

[00:10:15] like a victim tormentor, human beings worry

[00:10:19] to the degree of tormenting themselves.

[00:10:22] And so I have had to work with that one quite a bit over my adult life.

[00:10:27] And I'm not free of it, but I'm certainly more liberated from it.

[00:10:30] And so these are just ideas to give you like, you know, the abuser is someone

[00:10:36] who is so mean to themselves inside their head that, you know,

[00:10:39] it's we wouldn't even want anyone to know like how terrible we are to ourselves.

[00:10:45] Perpetrator is someone who perpetuates harm.

[00:10:48] So those are all just ways of navigating this particular duality

[00:10:53] so that we realize that it's in us and it's also in the world.

[00:10:58] And when we see it in the world, then we want to go internal to settle it.

[00:11:02] And when we have it in ourselves, it will whatever work we do around it

[00:11:06] will automatically liberate aspects of the collective consciousness,

[00:11:10] ultimate in self-responsibility.

[00:11:15] Yeah. Well, I'm

[00:11:18] I don't think that the that there's a lot of

[00:11:24] difference at the macro level between men and women when it comes to these dynamics.

[00:11:30] I think that the difference is more in terms of where the

[00:11:35] what's identified as the as the tormentor or the oppressor.

[00:11:41] So for example, I'll speak about myself

[00:11:45] and hopefully in a way that's not only about me,

[00:11:49] but that also touches on what a lot of men deal with,

[00:11:56] which on the external level,

[00:11:59] somebody or some situation

[00:12:02] is identified by me as a tormentor

[00:12:06] that's getting in my way or interfering with my freedom

[00:12:10] or interfering with my success or my well being

[00:12:15] or my objectives, my goals, whatever, whatever that might be.

[00:12:22] And if I'm externally focused, which is a mistake

[00:12:28] as a starting place, I mean, it's not a mistake across the boards.

[00:12:32] I've got to focus externally in terms of how I interact interact with the world.

[00:12:37] But if I think that all I have to do is fix that outer

[00:12:43] situation or vanquish that person or whatever the the external is as a starting place,

[00:12:50] I'm I'm actually under spell.

[00:12:54] The the internal version of oppression

[00:12:57] that I experience is that my ego or my inner critic

[00:13:03] is operating as though and I'm allowing it to operate as though

[00:13:08] it's the boss or the tormentor of me.

[00:13:12] And for me,

[00:13:16] the key always is that when I have an emotional charge

[00:13:21] about a person or a situation or a

[00:13:26] cultural dynamic or whatever it might happen to be out there.

[00:13:30] If I have an emotional charge about that,

[00:13:33] then that emotional charges pointing me

[00:13:37] is meant to or designed to point me toward

[00:13:41] an inner tormenting that I am not addressing.

[00:13:48] I might not even be completely aware of.

[00:13:51] And I'm fault because of that falling into this illusion

[00:13:55] that if I fix or vanquish the outer tormentor,

[00:14:00] I'm going to be just fine.

[00:14:03] Well, that's that's how.

[00:14:07] Tyrants end up identifying the evil ones

[00:14:12] that and then rallying people around them

[00:14:17] to who agree with them about who

[00:14:21] the external source of their collective suffering is.

[00:14:25] And then they're going to eradicate or contain

[00:14:29] or eliminate those bad guys out in the world.

[00:14:34] And that's the formula for war.

[00:14:37] That's the formula for oppression.

[00:14:39] That's the formula for every ism there is.

[00:14:44] And so the starting place

[00:14:48] isn't ignoring the outer situations

[00:14:52] or the outer individuals or ignoring

[00:14:55] whatever emotional charge I have about those people

[00:14:58] or those situations, but instead starting by using

[00:15:03] that emotional activation in me as a call to do some work inwardly.

[00:15:11] You know, the old you and I have talked about this over and over again.

[00:15:15] They the old the old saw the old line about you made me.

[00:15:22] Blank, you made me feel such and such.

[00:15:25] You made me do such and such.

[00:15:27] That's the ultimate in non self responsibility.

[00:15:32] I don't make anyone do anything.

[00:15:35] I may try.

[00:15:36] I may be responsible for having an intention

[00:15:39] to try to make someone do something for sure.

[00:15:42] And I make choices that do have impacts on other people.

[00:15:47] But I'm not the boss of.

[00:15:51] Whether or not someone capitulates or gives in to me.

[00:15:56] Right. I'm not the boss of that.

[00:15:59] Right. And this is why we advocate the one thing because

[00:16:04] we humans haven't tried taking this level of self responsibility.

[00:16:09] They haven't tried answering this call to alchemizing

[00:16:14] our own energetic, polar,

[00:16:18] polar, you know,

[00:16:21] polling energies, dual energies in order to affect the collective

[00:16:25] and tip the scales in favor or away from war and to peace.

[00:16:30] We just get ourselves all embroiled in how unjust and, you know,

[00:16:35] terrible it is.

[00:16:37] And it isn't the way to energetically shift the world and the world happenings.

[00:16:43] And I would also say this.

[00:16:44] This isn't like a lifetime work.

[00:16:47] So when I when I recognize that there are things like this that are

[00:16:50] lifetime pieces of work or aspects of work,

[00:16:54] I have to be kind with myself about it and I have to get more gentle

[00:16:59] with the process that I'm teaching myself and, you know, or asking myself to do

[00:17:04] because otherwise it's too hard.

[00:17:06] And the way David was talking about, you know, like our ego mind,

[00:17:09] it's there's such seduction in that part of ourselves.

[00:17:13] Oh no, come this way.

[00:17:15] You are so right.

[00:17:16] Your judgment is so right on the money, you know, and I would just say

[00:17:22] and all of us fall for this over and over.

[00:17:25] I would just say that to the degree that we're suffering,

[00:17:28] that part of our being is not right.

[00:17:31] It's the ultimate in being a victim and abuse and an abuser abused

[00:17:38] by letting our head run the show and not allowing our heart

[00:17:43] to be the one who's the primary driver, you know, but giving that

[00:17:48] abdicating that to our head.

[00:17:49] That's abuse.

[00:17:51] That's internal abuse.

[00:17:52] And so we look out into the world and we want people to be kinder in

[00:17:55] their want. We want there to be more peace and we want the division

[00:17:58] to stop and we want all these things that we are aching for.

[00:18:01] We will only get there by each one of us doing whatever comes

[00:18:06] to our awareness at any given point in the day

[00:18:10] or later if we need to put a bookmark on it and take care of it later.

[00:18:15] That's the only way to get there.

[00:18:16] That is the one thing that we've never, ever tried that we're being

[00:18:20] called to at this point in collective consciousness.

[00:18:23] Right. Another form that this this war and peace

[00:18:30] or the war and war duel plays out in me is when I recognize

[00:18:38] that I've done something that wasn't ideal, that was short of ideal

[00:18:45] or I made a mistake or things like that.

[00:18:50] I I end up

[00:18:53] beating myself up for beating myself up if my ego is in charge.

[00:18:58] So instead of oops, I made a mistake.

[00:19:02] It's oh, I really screwed up.

[00:19:05] I'm I'm you know, a subhuman

[00:19:11] thing and now I get to be beaten up internally for being less than perfect.

[00:19:22] And in the context or the framing that that some some people benefit

[00:19:28] from where they're they're helping the wounded child

[00:19:34] that they once were that's living inside them as adults to heal and grow up.

[00:19:40] That kind of internal beat up is inner child abuse.

[00:19:46] You know, we we can easily it's tyrannical.

[00:19:50] And of course.

[00:19:53] Child abuse, outer child abuse, trafficking, sexual abuse.

[00:19:58] All all of those things are utterly and completely

[00:20:01] and unconditionally unacceptable out in the world.

[00:20:06] And if I really am called to help deal

[00:20:11] with those outer situations effectively, while I'm still

[00:20:17] in an internal state of inner child abuse,

[00:20:21] I'm not going to be as effective anywhere near as effective

[00:20:26] as I might want in my highest intentions to be.

[00:20:30] And that's why this inner inner work around the the victim perpetrator

[00:20:38] inside of ourselves, the victim oppressor dynamic inside of ourselves

[00:20:43] is such a crucial and non-negotiable starting place

[00:20:49] or becoming more effectively empowered in dealing with

[00:20:55] unacceptable situations in the outer world.

[00:20:58] Yeah, including and this might ruffle a few feathers or raise some hairs,

[00:21:03] but there's there's also a victim terrorist dynamic,

[00:21:08] which sort of falls in this similar framework.

[00:21:13] To the degree that we are that we rail against any terrorism anywhere in the world.

[00:21:19] And you know, most people do it.

[00:21:22] We have to turn the we have to turn the view into ourselves

[00:21:27] and ask with gentleness and with kindness and with self compassion,

[00:21:33] where in me do I terrorize myself?

[00:21:37] And this would fall under the umbrella of things like allowing ourselves

[00:21:40] to run amok with fear, being programmed by fear, watching fearful things.

[00:21:47] And you know, I mean, there's a list along this there that we that we could point to, right?

[00:21:54] And so one of the things about being connected to our higher presence,

[00:21:58] this part of our anatomy that we cannot not be connected to,

[00:22:01] otherwise we don't have this life is that's the part of us that teaches us how to not be.

[00:22:11] Laser stunned.

[00:22:12] What's that gun that you get stunned by?

[00:22:14] Is it laser laser?

[00:22:17] Taser, taser that we stop tazering ourselves in terror and in fear.

[00:22:23] We, you know, that's that's yes, it's true that there is terror terror

[00:22:27] and on the end, you know, on the planet in parts of all kinds of places in the world.

[00:22:33] But it isn't the larger truth.

[00:22:35] And so for people who are having conversations like this,

[00:22:39] I consider it to be my job to at the very least notice it, send light to it

[00:22:45] and then expand myself into the larger truth because that's that's part of my job.

[00:22:52] That's part of my responsibility.

[00:22:54] Yeah. And again, at the risk of.

[00:23:00] Of our message getting lost, we're not denying that terrorism out in the world is occurring.

[00:23:07] We're not saying that terrorism is OK.

[00:23:10] It's occurring and there's no way in any sane mind in my judgment

[00:23:16] that that should be acceptable period.

[00:23:18] And.

[00:23:21] If I'm not dealing with the internal correlates to that external terrorism,

[00:23:28] I'm going to be impaired in my ability to follow whatever

[00:23:32] my calling happens to be to deal with that or to help make that outer situation better.

[00:23:40] The at the very least stop contributing to it.

[00:23:43] Sure. So there's this this.

[00:23:47] Um, face of innocence, this I don't do that to myself.

[00:23:52] Delusion, which is really actually a form of self righteousness.

[00:23:59] And and.

[00:24:01] What what we're saying that that may be really upsetting to some people

[00:24:06] is that if I'm emotionally charged by an outer situation

[00:24:13] and I'm saying to myself, well, I don't do some version of that to myself

[00:24:18] that I need to deal with in me.

[00:24:22] That's a guaranteed setup or a guaranteed clue

[00:24:28] that I am doing it to myself.

[00:24:30] I may be doing it to myself in a different form

[00:24:34] than what I'm seeing out in the the outer world.

[00:24:37] That often happens.

[00:24:39] But the notion that I don't do any version of that to myself,

[00:24:43] if I'm emotionally upset by an outer person or an outer situation

[00:24:48] or an outer dynamic, what we're saying is that's the egos,

[00:24:54] delusion, perpetrating ignorance and victimization on us internally.

[00:25:04] Right.

[00:25:04] That's bitter.

[00:25:04] And the outer.

[00:25:06] Yeah, it is bitter medicine.

[00:25:08] It is the outer world is a dramatic expression of what David just said.

[00:25:15] More likely than not, it's a smaller version in ourselves.

[00:25:18] So it's very, you know, it is a seduction for us to say, well, I don't do that.

[00:25:25] But there is there's a smaller version.

[00:25:27] And I will tell you that they there are aspects of this energy,

[00:25:31] this kind of energy that is tucked away in little cracks and crevices

[00:25:34] in our, you know, in our old traumas and in our beliefs

[00:25:38] and in our family ancestral lineage.

[00:25:40] And, you know, just just know that and be willing to let it present itself to you

[00:25:48] when it when it when you are aware of something it's ready to be released.

[00:25:51] It's not trying to torture or torment you.

[00:25:55] Do it with as much grace and gentleness and kindness as you have access to.

[00:26:00] I would say to never try to do it without your connection to your higher presence,

[00:26:04] because that's where that energy actually has the capacity to alchemize

[00:26:09] the dueling energies, the tug of war energies.

[00:26:12] I mean, we've all seen people play tug of war, right?

[00:26:14] They're pulling really hard on one side and the other side pulling really hard.

[00:26:17] And there you know, it's a fun game, but it's probably one of those games

[00:26:22] that is hidden in plain sight for a reason for like something

[00:26:26] like this kind of higher consideration.

[00:26:28] So anyway, it's it's a lifelong path and it's a worthy one

[00:26:35] because it changes the tapestry of life for sure.

[00:26:39] And I'll add one other version of this that I've caught myself doing

[00:26:46] more often than I would prefer to admit.

[00:26:49] And and this is another example of something that I don't think is at all

[00:26:54] unique to me, which is I'm very capable of getting very self-righteous

[00:27:01] about non self responsible people.

[00:27:07] And if I don't if I forget to treat that self-righteousness

[00:27:16] as a call for me to peel away yet another layer

[00:27:22] of non self responsibility inside myself or to peel away another layer

[00:27:28] of my allowing myself to be a victim to my ego.

[00:27:36] And my ego's judgments about me, self-righteous judgments about me

[00:27:40] that move me out of being in in a compassionate, gentle relationship

[00:27:47] with myself, then I'm missing the forest for the trees.

[00:27:52] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:27:54] And I think we all do. Yeah.

[00:27:55] Yeah, I think it's fairly universal and I'm speaking for myself

[00:28:01] because that's who I can speak for.

[00:28:03] And I'm hoping that others who are listening to this episode

[00:28:09] are finding a parallel to that in themselves.

[00:28:13] And if you do and you notice your ego or your inner critic

[00:28:19] is wanting to beat you up for the self-righteous beating up

[00:28:24] in your own mind of other people, that's the beating up of the beating up.

[00:28:28] And that's what needs to be intervened with with gentleness.

[00:28:33] And and like you keep saying, Laurie, and it's it's so important

[00:28:40] that it always bears repeating.

[00:28:43] Extricating ourselves from that internal dueling and warring

[00:28:50] doesn't happen.

[00:28:53] As long as I am allowing myself to be in the delusion

[00:28:57] that I'm separated from higher love and wisdom,

[00:29:00] from the one thing, from source, from again, whatever your term

[00:29:04] for that happens to be, I can only heal those things in me

[00:29:11] through the assistance of a level of love and wisdom

[00:29:16] that is way beyond what my seemingly separated ego

[00:29:22] is ever going to be capable of providing to me.

[00:29:26] Right, exactly.

[00:29:27] I mean, if we're elevating ourselves from a

[00:29:31] you know, a third dimensional

[00:29:34] duality experience into a unity experience, which is,

[00:29:38] you know, what what is being talked about is what's happening.

[00:29:42] That unity comes from our higher presence.

[00:29:45] It does not come from our mind and our mind is very good

[00:29:50] at hijacking our our our spiritual connection,

[00:29:54] making it seem like we're doing it the right way.

[00:29:59] But we're still disconnected from that that higher part of ourselves.

[00:30:02] And and we're just we're on a hamster's wheel.

[00:30:05] So, yes, that's just one one thing to know.

[00:30:09] Yeah. And I don't know.

[00:30:11] Well, I'm ready to wrap this up.

[00:30:13] How about you? Yeah, sure. Closing.

[00:30:15] Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[00:30:16] So my my my closing comment is

[00:30:22] is to share or reshare if I've shared this before in some other episode.

[00:30:27] The UNICEF New Year's card that my family received

[00:30:32] when I was about six or seven years old

[00:30:36] and the message on the card went straight into the core of my being

[00:30:41] even at that young age.

[00:30:44] In a way where I've never, ever forgotten its wording

[00:30:47] and I have an add on to the wording.

[00:30:49] But the wording of the card was the greater piece will only come

[00:30:54] after the smaller piece we make with each other.

[00:30:58] And my add on is that the smaller piece we make with each other

[00:31:03] will only come after the even smaller piece we make with ourselves.

[00:31:11] Yes, and that's beautiful.

[00:31:14] I was going to actually say that the

[00:31:17] the what the seemingly

[00:31:20] like it's easy for the mind to think this is hard work.

[00:31:24] And I'm not saying it's not hard work.

[00:31:26] It's tenacious, but it's harder to not do the work.

[00:31:30] But the thing that is most worth it is the piece

[00:31:35] this the bringing to rest and bringing to peace

[00:31:40] energies inside of ourselves that have been dueling for probably lifetimes

[00:31:44] at least through our DNA.

[00:31:46] And then because that's now a vacuum, nature of course, a vacuum

[00:31:50] because that's been released, there's a version of our our wholeness

[00:31:54] and and eternal love that fills that spot.

[00:31:58] And that's liberation.

[00:31:59] That's that's, you know, that's the rungs of the ladder to awakening

[00:32:04] and freedom and liberation and sovereignty.

[00:32:08] And that's why we are here as humans, in case you aren't aware of that.

[00:32:13] So.

[00:32:15] Peace is the key here.

[00:32:19] And so are we ready for my closing?

[00:32:22] Yeah. OK.

[00:32:23] Yeah.

[00:32:25] So.

[00:32:27] We hope that this has been an illuminating episode for you.

[00:32:32] And if you find that it's been irritating or activating

[00:32:37] or or that you have a defensive reaction to it, then

[00:32:43] that's just more wake up calls to look at something inside yourself

[00:32:49] that might have been invisible or sidestepped up until now.

[00:32:54] And what we really would love to hear from you about is

[00:33:02] what what your reactions to this episode are and other episodes

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[00:33:42] We unless we get a topic request,

[00:33:45] we end our episodes not knowing what the next episode's topic is going to be.

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[00:34:07] So in the meantime, be gentle and kind with yourself

[00:34:11] so that you can be gentle and kind and effective in the world and go in peace.